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How to scrappily hire for, measure, and unlock growth | Crystal Widjaja, Gojek and Kumu

Jul 31, 20221h 3m

Guest: Crystal Widjaja - Chief Product Officer at Kumu. Crystal has led product and growth teams at major Southeast Asian consumer businesses, including Gojek, where she built and led the growth team, contributing to its success as the largest super app in the region. Key Takeaways: Scrappy Growth Tactics: Embrace unconventional methods like Gojek's stadium hiring event for drivers and using WhatsApp groups for subscription tests. These approaches can validate ideas quickly without heavy investment. Retention Insights: Focus on the step right before conversion to improve retention. Understand the user's journey and address specific barriers like trust or friction points. Effective Experimentation: Even with small sample sizes, running experiments can yield valuable insights. Prioritize actionable data over vanity metrics. Instrumentation for Insights: Properly instrument data to capture user context and behaviors, enabling actionable insights rather than just observations. Growth Team Structure: Initially, growth teams can focus on filling gaps left by core product teams. As the company scales, integrate growth PMs into product teams to drive specific outcomes. Topics Covered: Growth strategies in Southeast Asia, scrappy growth tactics, retention improvement, experimentation with small data sets, effective data instrumentation, structuring growth teams, Generation Girl initiative.

Notable Quotes

โ€œI would hire someone who is willing to take intro to statistics course. And it doesn't matter if they've had the experience to go wild or not.โ€

Hiring for growth teams

โ€œA growth team can go terribly wrong when they just try to onboard a bunch of brand new tools that don't integrate well.โ€

Growth team structure

โ€œWe really look to Legally Blonde, is one of my favorite movies that represents you can take the powers that you have, whether you like engineering or design or data, and you can be whoever you want and still kick ass at it.โ€

Empowerment in STEM